Comments on: Rolling Stones – Gimme Shelter (Godfather GR378/379)

By: classicrawker

classicrawker — Sun, 01 Nov 2009 01:44:23 +0000

Thanks for taking the time to verify the times Rocker…I totally agree I want all the stage and crowd banter to get the full concert experience…time to go watch Gimme Shelter…..

By: Rocker

Rocker — Sun, 01 Nov 2009 01:16:46 +0000

DAC-019 clocks in at 76:53. VGP-113 clocks in at 42:00 + 41:28 minutes. GR 378/379 clocks in at 41:56 + 41:26. I can’t speak for TARKL. I would surmise that both VGP-113 + GR 378/379 clock in at roughly 6 minutes more due to collective extended stage + crowd banter between tracks that, in my opinion, enhance the listening experience.

By: classicrawker

classicrawker — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 21:26:32 +0000

Thanks Rocker, is the GF release 6 minutes longer than the old VGP, new TARKL version? Is it more complete?? Trying to figure out if it has more music.

By: Rocker

Rocker — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:29:27 +0000

GR 378/379 would be the way to go for a number of reasons. It is de-clicked, “lightly” re-mastered, offers the most lavish and complete packaging of any of the previous Gimme Shelter releases by far…

Incidentally and speaking of “Gimme Shelter”, check out the You Tube posting of “Gimme Shelter” from the second and final night of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame’s 25th Anniversary concerts at Madison Square Garden (10-30-09) featuring a haunting backing by U2 + Mick Jagger fueled by The Edge and a blistering performance by Fergie to cap it off…

By: classicrawker

classicrawker — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:02:15 +0000

I am trying to decide between the GF and TARKL versions of this show..Any idea why the GF version is 6+ minutes longer than the TARKL version? Is there more music and is it more complete? Does GF fill in the cuts with alternate sources?? I have to agree with Bjarke in that I often find GF to be a little over the top with their remastering at times but if their version is more complete I would probably go for that. Look forward to any opinions

By: DLee

DLee — Sat, 10 Oct 2009 02:24:14 +0000

Would just like to add that I finally got this one last week, and although “Brown Sugar” abruptly ends prematurely & there are a couple/few lesser minor issues, I just about mostly agree with everything positive said about this Godfather 2-CD – highly recommended. It does sound somewhat thin sometimes, but other times it actually sounds a little bass-heavy, which I don’t mind significantly, and there’s not really much that’s objectionable about this release – at least not to me. I certainly don’t regret obtaining it, and thus thanks to all who contributed here.

By: relayer67

relayer67 — Fri, 02 Oct 2009 01:34:18 +0000

What a fantastic release of this (in) famous concert. The sound quality is passable and you feel like you are in the turbulent crowd, some having a good time while other furustrated with it. The packaging is beyond beleif, the cover photos and inserts taken from the concert make this title go from great to must have. Recomended to all fans of rock and roll

By: Rocker

Rocker — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 22:38:43 +0000

For the record, there is absolutely nothing processed about this new release. What we have here people, is a misplaced case of flip flop; Bjarke making erroneous assertions and then selectively retracting them when he is rightfully called on them. Frankly, they don’t deserve to be dignified with any response. Again, and hopefully for the last time, VGP-113 is the source and it is improved upon without detracting from the latter in any way, shape, or form…

By: Bjarke

Bjarke — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:19:39 +0000

Oh I guess my words were too hard, you are right about that mojopin. I just felt disappointed about the new CD I had just recieved – and that it was a waste of money. It’s not “ruined”. But I DO think it sound too processed, and I prefer the recent torrent, and also VGP – over this godfather. I have no agenda against that label, by the way. I find some of their releases to be quite enjoyable. But for the most; I think they are to heavy on the processing.

By: mojopin72

mojopin72 — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 16:35:08 +0000

I don’t find big differences between the VGP and GR equalization, they are very similar. The main difference is that the new GR version misses many clicks or cuts from the original tape.
I really don’t understand how Bjarke could state that “GR has ruined the recording”, this is completely ridiculous, maybe many of the GR releases sound different on his player cause I have never read a Bjarke’s positive feedback on a GR release here.

By: Rocker

Rocker — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 12:00:10 +0000

DLee, I personally am not a fan of thin sounding recordings across the board and you can quote me on that. I would not, however, categorize this particular release as being thin sounding with respect and contrary to but a few of the above comments. The bass response, for example, fluctuates as the recording develops and actually becomes quite pronounced. I would advise first time listeners to exercise patience and restraint and not expect instant gratification right off the bat as initial impressions can be deceiving. The music, incidentally, is so thrilling and intoxicating. I have reviewed countless “thin” recordings over the years that have left me with listening fatigue and headaches. This is definitely not one of them…

By: DLee

DLee — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 02:55:04 +0000

I probably would have ordered this one if it weren’t for all the comments about it being so thin, which is 1 aspect of a recording that I very much tend to dislike. I realize, of course, that just using a graphic equalizer can help a lot oftentimes, but I really don’t like having to mess with such controls, as even just having to adjust the volume control is enough to annoy me. Otherwise, judging from all the other statements, apparently this is another great Godfather release. Thanks for the review & all the subsequent comments.

By: Rocker

Rocker — Sat, 20 Jun 2009 22:48:32 +0000

I have gone back to also compare G.R. 378/379 with DAC-019. The former exhibits more gain, generally speaking, enhanced frequency response, does not feature the completely annoying DJ disrupting the flow of the concert, does include tape hiss which is music to my ears because it sounds less constricted and clocks in at 83:22 compard with 76:53. Oh, did I mention to feast your eyes on the astounding, meticulous and brilliant packaging of G.R. 378/379…

By: Bjarke

Bjarke — Sat, 20 Jun 2009 21:54:16 +0000

Just listened to this one. Once again, I think Godfather have ruined the recording with their processing. It sounds so unnatural, thin and cold. The previously mentioned torrent from Dave, is the definate source for this show. The 2nd price goes to the old VGP release. The package though, is quite good….as always – for “Godfather Records”

By: roertd7

roertd7 — Sat, 20 Jun 2009 08:49:22 +0000

Having read the reviews here I recently acquired this even though I have the DnC Altamont release. My view is the 1st part of DnC’s release is superior to this, but is ruined by the use of a distant French radio broadcast c/w DJ comments to complete the show. On that count Godfather wins though I still feel the sound is rather thin, but I guess

By: Rocker

Rocker — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 23:10:30 +0000

Absolutely correct, LedMan. San Francisco was the original intended venue. I have also been playing these discs. There is something extraordinarily captivating about this “event” that, I believe, transcends time. I’m not sure I can even explain it but my enthusiasm has not waned over the years…

By: LedMan

LedMan — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:39:57 +0000

For those interested, Altamont Speedway is located in Alameda county and was/is closer to Oakland than San Francisco.

By: LedMan

LedMan — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:20:19 +0000

I have the Vinyl Gang and IMO this new Godfather is an upgrade and considering the issues the taper or tapers had to deal with, a very enjoyable release that has remained in my player for over a week now. Unless a upgraded source surfaces, this is probably as good as it gets. Excellent packaging too!!!

By: Argenteum Astrum

Argenteum Astrum — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 10:48:02 +0000

I am really pleased after what I listened – the sound is much more punchier and bright than all previous releases of this show. Albeit its tragical history (Meredith Hunter, R.I.P.) and overall thrilling, dark atmosphere, this is the definitive edition and should be recommedned for anyone, who’d like to explore the history of popular rock music.

By: mojopin72

mojopin72 — Thu, 28 May 2009 06:36:43 +0000

This is a new remastering, not a torrented one.